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Photovoltaic installation - 30.0 kWp with a 100 kWh energy storage

Created: May 17, 2021 18:34:05Latest reply: May 18, 2021 08:03:14 616 21 0 0 0
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Hello,


I am starting a new project. I would like to build a photovoltaic installation with a capacity of 30.0 kWp with 100 kWh energy storage. To create it, we would like to use your products. We were thinking about:
2 x Huawei SUN2000-10-M1 + HUAWEI LUNA2000-30-S0

2 x Huawei SUN2000-5-M1 + HUAWEI LUNA2000-20-S0


Unfortunately in LUNA manual I found that only three inverters can be cascaded with batteries. Have you got any idea how to make it fully functional? Maybe do you know other solutions? 


It is possible to cascade three inverters and connect them to SmarLogger in COM1, then inverter no. 4 connect to SmartLogger to COM2 and in the COM3 connect DTSU666?


Also I was thinking about:

Cascade 3 inverters (Huawei SUN2000-10KTL-M1 + LUNA2000-30, Huawei SUN2000-10KTL-M1 + LUNA2000-30 and Huawei SUN2000-5KTL-M1 + LUNA2000-30) and connect to them smart power meter (DTSU)


Fourth inverter (Huawei SUN2000-5KTL-M1 + LUNA2000-20 + second smart power meter.


In this case it would be two WLAN Dongles and two FusionSolar accounts. Is the above situation feasible?


Greetings.



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Confucius
Moderator Created May 17, 2021 21:27:09

@Michael_123

They may be right, it seems that Luna battery is controlled only by the S-Dongle unit and the Smartlogger is useless (at least for the moment).

If the S-Dongle scenario is applicable, you can split the installation in two sepparate systems (A=2x10KTL-M1 with Luna and B= 1x10KTL-M1 +1 x 5KTL-M1, both with Luna batteries), each system would have a Master and a Slave inverter, as in the below picture:

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Then, both systems would be connected on the FusionSolar management system under the same PV plant.

This is a scenario which I'm thinking right now but as I already told you, a solution manager would be the right person which would cofirm if my proposed scenario would work normally or not.

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Michael_123
Michael_123 Created May 18, 2021 05:40:16 (0) (0)
it seems like a nice idea, but how would you connect power smart meter? Would you use two power meters or one? One for A system and one for B system, will it work together?  
BetterMing
BetterMing Reply Michael_123  Created May 18, 2021 06:03:02 (0) (0)
As shown in the figure, the meter only counts the total energy use of the two systems. Only one electricity meter is needed.  
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Confucius
Confucius Moderator Created May 17, 2021 19:09:17

Hello, @Michael_123

This kind of scenario it's a little bit complex but it should work normally like this:

 - one Smartlogger 3000A directly connected to a router via ETH cable or 3G/4G SIM card connection (one of them only);

 - one DTSU666-H smart power meter connected on COM port No.2 or 3;

 - 4 x SUN2000-M1 inverters (3x10KTL and 1x5KTL with their LUNA2000-30 batteries) connected on a daisy chain;

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Smartlogger is "master" and the "slave" are the inverters, the power meter is conencted directly to the Smartlogger so any export limit or zero export limitation could be implemented normally.

As long the Smartlogger is connected to internet (ETH cable to router or 3G/4G SIM card), it can be connected to FusionSolar server and a single PV plant would host the entire installation.

Basically, this kind of project should be discussed with the solution manager and you should contact an Huawei distributor from your area and to ask them support for this scenario.

Kind regards!

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Michael_123
Michael_123 Created May 17, 2021 19:43:26 (1) (0)
Hello @Confucius,

I have contacted to the Huawei distributor from my area and they told me that option with SmartLogger won't work. This is the message I got: "Unfortunately, the smartlogger will not support Luna because it is dedicated to commercial and not home solutions". I have asked because I am not convinced to this response from distributor.  
Confucius
Confucius Moderator Created May 17, 2021 21:27:09

@Michael_123

They may be right, it seems that Luna battery is controlled only by the S-Dongle unit and the Smartlogger is useless (at least for the moment).

If the S-Dongle scenario is applicable, you can split the installation in two sepparate systems (A=2x10KTL-M1 with Luna and B= 1x10KTL-M1 +1 x 5KTL-M1, both with Luna batteries), each system would have a Master and a Slave inverter, as in the below picture:

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Then, both systems would be connected on the FusionSolar management system under the same PV plant.

This is a scenario which I'm thinking right now but as I already told you, a solution manager would be the right person which would cofirm if my proposed scenario would work normally or not.

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Michael_123
Michael_123 Created May 18, 2021 05:40:16 (0) (0)
it seems like a nice idea, but how would you connect power smart meter? Would you use two power meters or one? One for A system and one for B system, will it work together?  
BetterMing
BetterMing Reply Michael_123  Created May 18, 2021 06:03:02 (0) (0)
As shown in the figure, the meter only counts the total energy use of the two systems. Only one electricity meter is needed.  
Currently, there is no solution for connecting the SmartLogger to LUNA. It may be further developed in the near future. But it takes people and time.
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Michael_123
Michael_123 Created May 18, 2021 05:41:30 (0) (0)
Thank you for your replay. What do you think about Confucius idea to create two systems:
"(A=2x10KTL-M1 with Luna and B= 1x10KTL-M1 +1 x 5KTL-M1, both with Luna batteries)"?  
BetterMing
BetterMing Reply Michael_123  Created May 18, 2021 06:14:40 (0) (0)
This is by far the better solution.  
Tang_li
Tang_li Reply Michael_123  Created May 18, 2021 07:52:30 (0) (0)
I think there are some scenes you need in the manual.
https://support.huawei.com/enterprise/en/doc/EDOC1100167258/dc8efd20/application-scenarios-and-settings  

@BetterMing In this figure there is one system: A system (SUN2000-10KTL-M1+LUNA2000, SUN2000-5KTL-M1+LUNA2000 and they are cascaded). To create 30.0 kWp photovoltaic installation with 100 kWh energy storage we have to create two systems A and B (photo below). Those systems will be powered from the same electric line, that's why I am asking about number of power smart meters.

Two systems A and B


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BetterMing
BetterMing Created May 18, 2021 06:34:25 (0) (0)
Okay, then you may need to consult with a solution manager. They can calculate the number of meters you need.  
Michael_123
Michael_123 Reply BetterMing  Created May 18, 2021 06:38:05 (0) (0)
Already asked. In your opinion two meters will be working together, it won't interfere?  
You actually have 4 inverters and you need 2 meters. If inverters of different models or LUNAs are used, a maximum of three inverters can be cascaded in one SDongle. Therefore, the solution described by yourself is feasible. However, you can also connect two SDongles to the same FusionSolar account, or two accounts. You may also build two power stations within one account.
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Tang_li
Tang_li Created May 18, 2021 08:07:00 (0) (0)
The energy storage and off-grid controller parameters of each inverter need to be set separately. The electric meter and smart communication wand need to be connected to the same inverter.
For details, see the user manual I sent you above link  
Tang_li
Tang_li Created May 18, 2021 08:08:06 (0) (0)
Inverters connected to the same meter must be cascaded using RSA85 cables.  
Michael_123
Michael_123 Created May 18, 2021 08:10:39 (0) (0)
Will two smart power meters connected to the same electric line not interfere? It will be working fine?  
Tang_li
Tang_li Reply Michael_123  Created May 19, 2021 06:39:19 (0) (0)
Same load?  
Tang_li
Tang_li Reply Michael_123  Created May 19, 2021 06:41:06 (1) (0)
There is no communication between meters. The meter communicates with the inverter. The CTs of the two meters follow different inverters.  
Michael_123
Michael_123 Reply Tang_li  Created May 19, 2021 07:19:03 (0) (0)
Yes, same load.  
Tang_li
Tang_li Reply Michael_123  Created May 19, 2021 08:17:19 (0) (0)
For the same load and the same grid-tied point, this solution does not work.
Before the SmartLogger does not support this function. Only 90 kWh LUNA, three inverters, and one meter can be used.  

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