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How to calculate quickly gains and losses (PART 1)


I start with an example:

How to calculate quickly the output if have the next network without using the formula


[input]   3 mW  ---> [ + 7 dB (gain)] ---> [ output]


Before of all, we know that dB es a logarithmic functions, so is not easy to calculate under that quickly. The formula is dB = 10 log (output/input).


First step.- we know by definition that +10 dB means that the output is 10 times greater than the input and if we want the half of one signal we must reduce in 3 dB.


Second step.- we disarrange the network in a gain of 10 dB and a attenuation of 3 dB, resulting the following equivalent network:

[input]   3 mW  ---> [ + 10 dB (gain)] --- [ - 3 dB (attenuation)]---> ?  [ output]


Third and final step.- we multiply by 10 the input (30 mW) and the result divide it by 2 (15 mW), and that is the output. So, 


[input]   3 mW  ---> [ + 7 dB (gain)] ---> 15 mW [ output]


The next lines show the corresponding proportions of a network using dB:


  • 0dB implies that dosn't exist gain or attenuation or loss

  • 10 dB implies that the output is 10 greater than the input

  • 20 dB implies that the output is 100 greater than the input

  • 30 dB implies that the output is 1000 greater than the input

  • and so on


And for 

  • 3 dB implies that the output is the double of the input (a two-times multiplier)

  • 6 dB implies that the output is four times greater than the input (a four-times multiplier)

  • 9 dB implies that the output is eight times greater than the input (a eight-times multiplier)

  • 12 dB implies that the output is sixteen times greater than the input (a sixteen-times multiplier)

  • and so on


Knowing that, if we want calculate the following output:


[input]   6 mW  ---> [ +  24 dB (gain)] ---> ?  [ output]


We multiply the input by 1000 and divide by 2 twice or by 4, getting 6000 mw / 4 = 1500 mW or 1.5 W



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As an example, and a way to solve the exercise, is the following:

First we add the attenuation of -9dB and the gain of 40dB resulting in 31dB. Then we convert the 2mW into dBm, we start with the equivalence of 1mW = 0dBm, then we multiply the 1mW by two, which translates into adding 3dBm, therefore 2mW = 0dBm + 3dBm = 3dBm and we add this value to the previous result 3dBm + 31dB = 34dBm.

Finally, we look for a way to write the 34 dBm in additions or subtractions of multiples of 3 or 10, for example 40 dBm - 9dBm. As mentioned 40dBm is 10000 mW and -6dBm consists of dividing by 2 twice, therefore 10000 ÷ 2 ÷ 2 = 2500 = 2.5 W
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Carloshn
Carloshn Created Dec 16, 2020 00:23:32 (0) (0)
thanks for sharing  
Good information
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Como convertir rápidamente dBm a mW o mW a dBm sin hacer uso de la fórmula:

Problema

Solucion

Para calcular la salida se tiene que las primeras dos cantidades tienen las mismas unidades, así que, se suman.

10dBm + 15dBm = 25dBm

Posteriormente se debe convertir el resultado a mW ya que es lo que se pide.

Primero se convierte 10dBm a mW pero como se sabe, es una sencilla conversion ya que 10dBm=10mW, por lo que sobran 15dBm que faltan por convertir. Para éste último como todos los cálculos en este caso tienen signo positivo, entonces se hará uso de la multiplicacion (si existieran signos negativos se haría uso de la division). El número 3 es base para hacer el cálculo, sobre los 15dBm que nos sobran debemos ver que número es múltipo de 3 para que nos de 15, en este caso es 5 (3*5=15).

Finalmente, para terminar el cálculo, el número 2 es clave en este método sin formula para solucionar el problema. Obtuvimos que 5 era el número por el que se multiplicaba para obtener 15, pero en este paso final, el número 5 tiene funcion exponencial para el número 2. Resultando:

25 dBm=(10mW)(2^5)=320 mW -----> como se observa en la imagen.

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Posted by jaii at 2021-01-25 20:25 Como convertir rápidamente dBm a mW o mW a dBm sin hacer uso de la fórmula:Para calcular la salida ...
I only add the next lines to the answer to support your example using 2^5:
10 dBm = 10 mW
13 dBm = 20 mW
16 dBm = 40 mW
19 dBm = 80 mW
22 dBm = 160 mW
25 dBm = 320 mW
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