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3 Phase inverter true 0 export limitation

Created: Aug 28, 2020 21:00:08Latest reply: Mar 21, 2021 09:19:05 1870 11 2 0 0
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Hello all!

This is my first post here and I'm sorry it comes as a question/ problem.


I installed at my house a Huawei SUN2000-5KTL-M0, 3 phase inverter with 20 280W PV panels, divided into 2 strings. Also I installed a Smart Power Sensor (DTSU666-H) in order to limit the energy export to the grid.

All things are installed corectly, as per the instalation guide, checked and double-checked, and functional.

The export limitation is set to 0. I'm not a prosumer yet and the grid meter is a digital, one directional, standard 3 phase meter.

Now I encounter the next problem:

With Total Power export set to 0, the grid meter still registering consumption even if the FusionSolar app shows that the inverter is producing enough total power to cover the loads. Problem that I found is that the smart meter DTSU sums all the loads and tell the inverter to produce only that power (which is good), but the inverter splits the output power into 3 equal parts over all the phases. But on a regular house you almost never get to have same power demand from loads over those 3 phases. 


For example let's thake this scenario: 

                LOADS      PRODUCTION     GRID METER

Phase 1 - 3 KW          - 1,1 KW               - 1,9 KW import

Phase 2 - 0,2 KW       - 1,1 KW               - 0,9 KW export

Phase 3 - 0,1 KW       - 1,1 KW               - 1 KW export

Total         3,3 KW          3,3 KWh               3,8 KWh

The grid meter is registering a total of 3,8KWh, because it count the export as import. So even if the inverter is set to 0 export and it produces the total energy for the load demand, because it is split equal betwen the pahses this problem apeears. In this case I have to pay 3,8KW for the 3,3 I used in reality.


I also tried with Single Phase export  set, but this tells the inverter to produce power as per the minimum demand of the pahses:

                LOADS      PRODUCTION     GRID METER

Phase 1 - 3 KW          - 0,033 KW               - 2,967 KW import

Phase 2 - 0,2 KW       - 0,033 KW               - 0,167 KW export

Phase 3 - 0,1 KW       - 0,033 KW               - 0.067 KW export

Total         3,3 KW          0,1 KWh                   3,201 KWh

This is better, but as you can see it is not the desired efect. 


All of this is because the inverter does not deliver the power differently as per demand on the phases. On top of that the 5KTL-M0 at it's maximum output power, only put's 1.66666 on each phase. 


And now my question: Is there a way to set the Inverter to output the power different on each phase? 

If not my only solution will be to replace it with a 1Phase inverter and put all the loads of the house on just one phase. 


Thank in advance for you help.

Alex.


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BetterMing
Created Aug 29, 2020 13:03:44

Hello, AlexHorvath.
Solution 1: Use a three-phase inverter and balance loads (adjust load cables).
Solution 2: Use a single-phase inverter on the main load to connect to the zero-power grid based on the current load. (The other two-phase load is small, regardless of the load.)
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AlexHorvath
AlexHorvath Created Aug 29, 2020 18:42:35 (0) (0)
Thank you for your response.
Solution 1 is impossible to achive in a regular residential home, because almost al consumers are 1phase. So even if you balance the loads you need to start equipments on the other phases to achieve equal consumtion in order to have 0 export. Continuing with this is innefficient even if I become a prosumer.
Solution 2 seems to be the best option. Put all the loads from the house on just one phase, exchange the 3phase inverter (and the smart meter) with a 1phase.  
BetterMing
BetterMing Reply AlexHorvath  Created Aug 30, 2020 01:40:25 (0) (0)
Yes.  
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Hi,AlexHorvath。The three-phase output power of the inverter is always balanced. The output power of the three-phase A, B, and C cannot be different. The algebraic sum of the three-phase power is 0.
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AlexHorvath
AlexHorvath Created Aug 29, 2020 18:47:56 (0) (0)
Hello, thank you for your response.
Seems like these 3 phase on-grid inverters are build mostly for exporting the power to the grid. Otherwise the producer should thake into account the fact that in a regular house the 3phases will almost never have equal power demand. 3Phase inverters build for residential market should be able to distribute the power different on each phase, according with the loads. Only then it will be most efficient, because you are able to use all the power.  
Hello, AlexHorvath.
Solution 1: Use a three-phase inverter and balance loads (adjust load cables).
Solution 2: Use a single-phase inverter on the main load to connect to the zero-power grid based on the current load. (The other two-phase load is small, regardless of the load.)
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AlexHorvath
AlexHorvath Created Aug 29, 2020 18:42:35 (0) (0)
Thank you for your response.
Solution 1 is impossible to achive in a regular residential home, because almost al consumers are 1phase. So even if you balance the loads you need to start equipments on the other phases to achieve equal consumtion in order to have 0 export. Continuing with this is innefficient even if I become a prosumer.
Solution 2 seems to be the best option. Put all the loads from the house on just one phase, exchange the 3phase inverter (and the smart meter) with a 1phase.  
BetterMing
BetterMing Reply AlexHorvath  Created Aug 30, 2020 01:40:25 (0) (0)
Yes.  

Is there any option to set output of inverter as 'unbalanced'  based on load for each phaese?
As far as I know, some other vendors support this function.

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BetterMing
BetterMing Created Oct 10, 2020 08:53:49 (0) (0)
Not currently supported.  
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MustafaEra Reply BetterMing  Created Oct 12, 2020 12:07:43 (0) (0)
Is there any roadmap to support this function?  
BetterMing
BetterMing Reply MustafaEra  Created Oct 12, 2020 12:22:36 (0) (0)
Sorry, there is currently no plan  
What would happen if in the equation we will a pack of luna batteries ? Will the power needed for each phase requirement be taken from the batteries instead of the grid ? And will the excess be put into the batteries instead of lowering the PV output ?
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Posted by user_4167949 at 2021-03-21 09:16 What would happen if in the equation we will a pack of luna batteries ? Will the power needed for ea ...
Yes, if you add batteries to the system, the extra power will charge the batteries. The grid power will not be consumed until the battery power consumption reaches the preset value.
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